Цаца wrote:А у меня таки вызывает, но не у аутентичности, а в грамотности.
Цаца wrote:olg2002 wrote:Что же заставляет нас морщиться при виде stop him smoking?
Потому что I cought him smoking in bed - я поймала его курящим в постели (я поймала его, курящего в постели). Как же Вы переведете по аналогии stop him smoking - я остановила его, курящего?
olg2002 wrote:Ну, англичане-то не знают, что у нас трудности с переводом этой фразы на русский...
С правильной фразой никаких трудностей нет.
Цаца wrote:olg2002 wrote:у меня не вызывает сомнений в аутентичности:complaining about the 'health police' who were trying to stop him smoking in restaurants and bars.
А у меня таки вызывает, но не у аутентичности, а в грамотности.
olg2002 wrote:Что же заставляет нас морщиться при виде stop him smoking? Наше чувство языка? Pardon me.
>Larry, I also have a quick grammatical (well, rather a stylistic ...) side question for
>you. IMO the following phrase: "We all try to stop him smoking in bed but
>he just won't listen" sounds awkward. I have a gut feeling that it begs for
>the "from" to be added so that it would sound like this: "We all try to
>stop him from smoking in bed but he just won't listen." As always is the
>case with my pedantic self I am not looking here for a colloquialism but
>rather for a formal grammatically impeccable way of conveying the thought.
IMO you've developed quite an ear for English. I agree with you -- though I
can't identify precisely why I think the version with "from" is
preferable, other than it sounds better to me too.
Цаца wrote:Хочу добавить - и я, и мои носители говорили с позиции американского-английского. Как это работает у бритишей, я не знаю.
PS Re you langugage inquiry, I am with you that "from" makes the
sentence clearer. Whether it is the "King's" formal English, I don't
know, as the sense of the sentence is not that you are trying to stop
him physically from smoking but that you are trying to persuade him not
to smoke in bed.
Best, Laura
Следить за ответами можно здесь:Ушел спрашивать что скажут гуру alt.english.usage
a. That the possessive of all pronouns that have the form should be used instead of the objective or subjective is hardly disputed. Correct accordingly:
You may rely upon me doing all in my power.--Sir W. Harcourt.
The confounded fetterlock clapped on my movements by old Griffiths prevents me repairing to England in person.--Scott.
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b. Examples in which the possessive of nouns might be written without a qualm.
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It is true that one of our objects was to prevent (see Note) children 'sipping' the liquor they were sent for.--Times.
Orders were sometimes issued to prohibit (see Note) soldiers buying and eating cucumbers.--Times.
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Note.
The reason why many who as a rule use the possessive are willing to do without it after verbs like prevent is perhaps this: in I prevented him going they consciously or unconsciously regard both him and going as nouns, one the indirect, one the direct object, as in I refused him leave.
