Ромни или Обама?

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Ромни или Обама?

Ромни
136
18%
Ромни
136
18%
Обама
156
20%
Обама
156
20%
Не могу или не буду голосовать ни за кого
91
12%
Не могу или не буду голосовать ни за кого
91
12%
 
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Re: Ромни или Обама?

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Serge7 wrote: Я сегодня заплатил в Сан Диего /California/ $5.12 за галлон на заправке .. :mrgreen: Спасибо большое коммунистам Бараку "Ф---г" Обаме и и губернатору Кали - Джерри Брауну за наше счастливое детство! :ROFL: :D
Бедненький. Что же поселились у коммунистов? Ведь есть пока сладкие штаты, где нет места коммунистам? Missouri и прочие Alabama к вашим услугам.

А заправку за 5.12 специально искали? Я сегодня заправился на первой второй попавшейся за 4.29 (cash)
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Fact Check: Top Ten Worst Lies of the Second Presidential Debate by Joel B. Pollak 17 Oct 2012

The Second Presidential Debate featured repeated claims by each candidate that the other was not telling the truth--as well as at least one claim of fact by the moderator that turned out to be false. There were even questionable claims by the audience itself. Here are the top ten worst lies told during the Second Debate: 10. "I told you I would cut taxes for middle-class families, and I did. I told you I’d cut taxes for small businesses, and I have." President Barack Obama has made this claim repeatedly during the campaign, but it is not true, as even the liberal Huffington Post acknowledges. The few tax cuts that Obama did enact--such as the temporary payroll tax holiday--were short-term, or conditional. Furthermore, as the Romney campaign has often pointed out, Obama has raised many taxes on the middle class, including the infamous Obamacare "penalty," and his taxes on "millionaires and billionaires" would hit small businesess.

9. "...[H]e was asked, is it fair for somebody like you, making $20 million a year, to pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or a bus driver....And he said, yes, I think that’s fair." Obama was referring to Romney's recent 60 Minutes interview. But the transcript reveals Obama was not telling the truth. Romney was not saying it was fair that higher income should be taxed at a lower rate. He was referring specifically to the principle that capital gains should be taxed lower than other income because it has been taxed once already--a principle, incidentally, that Obama agrees with in his own tax policy.

8. "He called the Arizona law a model for the nation." Obama tried to knock Romney's immigration policy while at the same time accusing him of flip-flopping on the issue. But as Romney pointed out, he was referring specifically to the e-Verify part of the law--the requirement of instant verification of workers' legal status. That provision is even favored by unions. Obama made it seem Romney praised the law as a whole--which he had not. He went on to say that he himself objected to the provision that allowed police to check suspected illegal immigrants' documentation--but that provision survived a challenge at the Supreme Court.

7. "I want to make sure our timekeepers are working here." For the third debate in a row, the Democratic candidate complained that he was not receiving as much time to speak as the Republican. And for the third debate in a row, the Obama/Biden ticket actually spoke for longer--much longer--than the Romney/Ryan ticket, a testament to the ability of the incumbents to pressure the moderators, and the susceptibility of the left-leaning moderators to such pressure. Obama received a full three minutes more time in last night's debate--and the percentage difference was even higher at one point in the proceedings.

6. "They rely on it for mammograms." Obama attacked Romney's proposal to cut off federal funding to Planned Parenthood by claiming that the organization provides mammograms to women to help prevent breast cancer. It's been a repeated claim made by the left for months. The problem is that it's just untrue--and even left-leaning mainstream media fact-checkers have acknowledged that. What is perhaps worse than Obama's misleading claim about mammograms is the unsupported implication that Romney wants to deny life-saving health care to women--a cheap shot to which Romney was given no chance to respond.

5. "You can ship jobs overseas and get tax breaks for it." We have heard the same lie for eight years from Obama. In 2004, he ran for U.S. Senate from Illinois on a promise to end such tax breaks. He did it again when he ran for President of the United States in 2008. And yet he has never done anything about it--because there are no such tax breaks. There is merely a deduction that companies can take for moving, even within the U.S.--and which helps offset the double taxation of U.S. businesses abroad, which would make American companies less competitive. Repealing it would ship jobs overseas, actually.

4. "And the production is up....What you’re saying is just not true." Obama contested a claim by Romney that production of oil and gas is down on federal lands. He even accused Romney of not telling the truth. But Romney was right-- exactly right, down to the percentage decline. Furthermore, Obama's claim that he has been increasing oil and gas production on federal lands flies in the face of recent policy decisions, such as closing off a large part of the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska to further development. Obama has tried to take credit for expansion on private lands, while opposing expansion wherever possible.

3. "In what new ways do you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace, specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts earn?" The false premise from a member of the audience was especially egregious because her question had been selected in advance by the moderator. The supposed wage gap between men and women for the same work is largely a myth. As Diana Furchtgott-Roth pointed out: "Women make about 95 percent of what their male counterparts earn, if the male counterparts are in the same job with the same experience."

2. "He wanted to take them into bankruptcy without providing them any way to stay open." After Obama accused Romney of wanting American auto manufacturers to go bankrupt, Romney pointed out that Obama had, in fact, taken the auto companies through bankruptcy. Obama's retort was to accuse Romney of wanting to take the companies bankrupt in order to put them out of business--a blatant lie. Romney actually suggested in his famous 2008 op-ed: "In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check."

1. "He did call it an act of terror." The worst untruth told by a moderator in presidential history. Candy Crowley's intervention in favor of Obama caused the president's cheering section to burst into applause, in violation of the rules, and there was little that Romney could say in response. But she was wrong--Obama's reference to "acts of terror" in his Sep. 12 statement was in a general, abstract sense, and came long after he had described the 9/11 attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions as demonstrations against an anti-Islamic video. Even Crowley seemed to realize what she had done: it wasn't long before she walked back her own comment.

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C фактами я был не знаком но сразу бросилось в глаза что Обама откровенную чухню несёт.
Однако у него сработало, Ромни вынужден был зарубаться и вступать в склоку.
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“Planned Parenthood provides a wide range of preventive health care services to millions of women through its 800 health centers including contraception, Pap tests, annual exams, HIV and other STI tests, and lifesaving breast exams,” said Stuart Schear, the group’s vice president for communication, in an e-mail.
A mammogram involves an X-ray of the breast. A breast exam is a physical examination.
“Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses provide more than 800,000 breast cancer screenings annually. We offer breast exams at every one of our family planning health centers. Like the vast majority of primary care physicians and ob-gyns, we refer our patients to other facilities for mammograms when indicated based on a breast exam, age or family history,” he said.

Xорошо, пусть не мамограмму, а x-rays и медицинские осмотры плюс pap test, и т.д. Not good enough???
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"He wanted to take them into bankruptcy without providing them any way to stay open." After Obama accused Romney of wanting American auto manufacturers to go bankrupt, Romney pointed out that Obama had, in fact, taken the auto companies through bankruptcy. Obama's retort was to accuse Romney of wanting to take the companies bankrupt in order to put them out of business--a blatant lie. Romney actually suggested in his famous 2008 op-ed: "In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check."

Ето упражнение в альтернативнои истории для несведуших. В 2008 GM, junk bond rating, huge cash loss никто денег бы не дал.
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Ромни феноменально про**ал дебаты, так ему и надо. Ничего за душой нет кроме жажды власти. Ему не 47% пофиг, а 99.99%.
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IL wrote:Ромни феноменально про**ал дебаты, так ему и надо. Ничего за душой нет кроме жажды власти. Ему не 47% пофиг, а 99.99%.
Феноменально ето про 1 дебаты,
вот там Обама феноменально слил.
А во 2х он выиграл но далеко не феноменально.
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IL wrote:Ромни феноменально про**ал дебаты, так ему и надо. Ничего за душой нет кроме жажды власти. Ему не 47% пофиг, а 99.99%.
Обаме не пофиг сколько % ? Какой же заботливый он у нас.
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nukite wrote: 1 дебаты,
вот там Обама феноменально слил.
.
:umnik1:
Да кто-б спорил. Вторые дебаты были более revealing, что-ли. Просто ромни показал себя таким, какой он есть.
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Bad Samaritan wrote:
IL wrote:Ромни феноменально про**ал дебаты, так ему и надо. Ничего за душой нет кроме жажды власти. Ему не 47% пофиг, а 99.99%.
Обаме не пофиг сколько % ? Какой же заботливый он у нас.
Ромну буквально вынудил обаму говорить о % в самом конце. Обама понимал, что ромни сморозил ***ню и не касался этого вопроса, пока ромни сам не начал.
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IL wrote:
nukite wrote: 1 дебаты,
вот там Обама феноменально слил.
.
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Да кто-б спорил. Вторые дебаты были более revealing, что-ли. Просто ромни показал себя таким, какой он есть.
ромни провёл дебаты нормально, обама не слил, получилась ничья, победителя небыло. СМИ, разумеется, это раздули как разгром :)
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rzen wrote:
IL wrote:
nukite wrote: 1 дебаты,
вот там Обама феноменально слил.
.
:umnik1:
Да кто-б спорил. Вторые дебаты были более revealing, что-ли. Просто ромни показал себя таким, какой он есть.
ромни провёл дебаты нормально, обама не слил, получилась ничья, победителя небыло. СМИ, разумеется, это раздули как разгром :)
Как ничья? Вы же 4 страницами выше сказали
rzen wrote:ромни однозначно выглядит сильнее
Колеблетесь в унисон с линией партии :D ?
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ksi wrote:
rzen wrote:
IL wrote:
nukite wrote: 1 дебаты,
вот там Обама феноменально слил.
.
:umnik1:
Да кто-б спорил. Вторые дебаты были более revealing, что-ли. Просто ромни показал себя таким, какой он есть.
ромни провёл дебаты нормально, обама не слил, получилась ничья, победителя небыло. СМИ, разумеется, это раздули как разгром :)
Как ничья? Вы же 4 страницами выше сказали
rzen wrote:ромни однозначно выглядит сильнее
Колеблетесь в унисон с линией партии :D ?
а вам на часы посмотреть лень? :-)
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oshibka_residenta wrote:
Serge7 wrote: Я сегодня заплатил в Сан Диего /California/ $5.12 за галлон на заправке .. :mrgreen: Спасибо большое коммунистам Бараку "Ф---г" Обаме и и губернатору Кали - Джерри Брауну за наше счастливое детство! :ROFL: :D
Бедненький. Что же поселились у коммунистов? Ведь есть пока сладкие штаты, где нет места коммунистам? Missouri и прочие Alabama к вашим услугам.

А заправку за 5.12 специально искали? Я сегодня заправился на первой второй попавшейся за 4.29 (cash)
Я заправшяюсь за 4.47 без проблем и без особых поисков, по карточке, могу найти и 4.39. 5.12 это видимо из серии _а за углом вдвое дороже, я там купил_.
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Техасские милиардеры -- друзья ромни из кожи лезут, чтобы поднять цены на бензин. Им прибыли нужны и поменьше налогов.
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