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Плакала связь поездочком Тампы с Орландо и другими городами в будушем как и развитие обшественного транспорта во Флориде.... отказался наш политик от предложенных Обамои денег...
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
FEBRUARY 16, 2011
Florida Governor Rick Scott Rejects Federal High Speed Rail
Tallahassee, Fla. – After thoughtful consideration, Governor Rick Scott informed U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood of the state’s decision to reject President Obama’s Tampa to Orlando high-speed rail project.
Below are Governor Scott’s Remarks as Prepared:
· As you know, I was elected to get Floridians back to work and to change the way government does business in our state.
· I am committed to making good on those promises.
· Recently, I sent a budget proposal to the legislature that reduces the size and scope of government; reduces the costs of that government and passes those cost savings on to taxpayers so that we can create new jobs and turn Florida’s economy around.
· I believe when you reduce government’s reach and hold that government accountable, you create an environment where the economy can flourish.
· When you reduce taxes and put that money back in the hands of hardworking Floridians and Florida businesses, that money will be spent on creating private sector jobs
· As you know, my background is in business, not politics. But you don’t have to be an economics expert to understand that if you spend more money than you take in, your business will fail.
· Unfortunately, politicians haven’t always seemed to grasp that same principle.
· In fact, the Obama administration just announced a $3.73 trillion budget that includes the largest budget deficit in our nation’s history ($1.65 trillion).
· The president’s budget includes $1.6 trillion in higher taxes.
· Those higher taxes will impact Floridians and our competitiveness worldwide. We cannot expect individuals to build businesses in America if our taxes are higher than other countries.
· Higher taxes and more government spending is a recipe for disaster. Government has become addicted to spending beyond its means and we cannot continue this flawed policy.
· Let us never forget, whether it is Washington or Tallahassee, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
· That is why today I am announcing my decision to reject the Obama administration’s plan to partially-fund the costly Tampa to Orlando high-speed rail project.
· Moments ago I spoke with u.s. transportation Secretary Ray LaHood to inform him of my decision. I appreciate the secretary’s efforts to work with us and I look forward to working with him in the future.
· My decision to reject the project comes down to three main economic realities:
o First – capital cost overruns from the project could put Florida taxpayers on the hook for an additional $3 billion.
o Second – ridership and revenue projections are historically overly-optimistic and would likely result in ongoing subsidies that state taxpayers would have to incur. (from $300 million - $575 million over 10 years) – Note: The state subsidizes Tri-Rail $34.6 million a year while passenger revenues covers only $10.4 million of the $64 million annual operating budget.
o Finally – if the project becomes too costly for taxpayers and is shut down, the state would have to return the $2.4 billion in federal funds to D.C.
The truth is that this project would be far too costly to taxpayers and I believe the risk far outweighs the benefits.
· Historical data shows capital cost overruns are pervasive in 9 out of 10 high speed rail projects and that 2/3 of those projects inflated ridership projections by an average of 65 percent of actual patronage.
· It is projected that 3.07 million people will use the train annually. Keep in mind that Amtrak’s Acela train in Washington, D.C., Boston, Philadelphia, New York and Baltimore only had 3.2 million riders in 2010. And that market’s population is 8 times the size of the Tampa/Orlando market.
· President Obama’s high-speed rail program is not the answer to Florida’s economic recovery.
· We must make investments in areas where we will get a return for the shareholders – Florida’s taxpayers.
· Rather than investing in a high-risk rail project, we should be focusing on improving our ports, rail and highway infrastructure to be in a position to attract the increased shipping that will result when the panama canal is expanded when the free trade agreements with Colombia and panama are ratified and with the expansion of the economies of central and south America.
· By capturing a larger share of containerized imports entering our seaports, expanding export markets for Florida businesses and emerging as a global hub for trade and investment we can create up to an additional 143,000 jobs according to a recent chamber of commerce study.
· It is absolutely critical that we make smart investments with taxpayer dollars, whether state or federal, and I believe our state will be better served by spending these funds on projects that will benefit Florida and not turn into a spending boondoggle.
· The answer is to reduce government spending, cut government’s leash on our state’s job creators and then hold that government accountable for the investments it makes.
· That is what I was elected to do and that is how I plan to govern. Let’s get to work!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
FEBRUARY 16, 2011
Florida Governor Rick Scott Rejects Federal High Speed Rail
Tallahassee, Fla. – After thoughtful consideration, Governor Rick Scott informed U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood of the state’s decision to reject President Obama’s Tampa to Orlando high-speed rail project.
Below are Governor Scott’s Remarks as Prepared:
· As you know, I was elected to get Floridians back to work and to change the way government does business in our state.
· I am committed to making good on those promises.
· Recently, I sent a budget proposal to the legislature that reduces the size and scope of government; reduces the costs of that government and passes those cost savings on to taxpayers so that we can create new jobs and turn Florida’s economy around.
· I believe when you reduce government’s reach and hold that government accountable, you create an environment where the economy can flourish.
· When you reduce taxes and put that money back in the hands of hardworking Floridians and Florida businesses, that money will be spent on creating private sector jobs
· As you know, my background is in business, not politics. But you don’t have to be an economics expert to understand that if you spend more money than you take in, your business will fail.
· Unfortunately, politicians haven’t always seemed to grasp that same principle.
· In fact, the Obama administration just announced a $3.73 trillion budget that includes the largest budget deficit in our nation’s history ($1.65 trillion).
· The president’s budget includes $1.6 trillion in higher taxes.
· Those higher taxes will impact Floridians and our competitiveness worldwide. We cannot expect individuals to build businesses in America if our taxes are higher than other countries.
· Higher taxes and more government spending is a recipe for disaster. Government has become addicted to spending beyond its means and we cannot continue this flawed policy.
· Let us never forget, whether it is Washington or Tallahassee, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
· That is why today I am announcing my decision to reject the Obama administration’s plan to partially-fund the costly Tampa to Orlando high-speed rail project.
· Moments ago I spoke with u.s. transportation Secretary Ray LaHood to inform him of my decision. I appreciate the secretary’s efforts to work with us and I look forward to working with him in the future.
· My decision to reject the project comes down to three main economic realities:
o First – capital cost overruns from the project could put Florida taxpayers on the hook for an additional $3 billion.
o Second – ridership and revenue projections are historically overly-optimistic and would likely result in ongoing subsidies that state taxpayers would have to incur. (from $300 million - $575 million over 10 years) – Note: The state subsidizes Tri-Rail $34.6 million a year while passenger revenues covers only $10.4 million of the $64 million annual operating budget.
o Finally – if the project becomes too costly for taxpayers and is shut down, the state would have to return the $2.4 billion in federal funds to D.C.
The truth is that this project would be far too costly to taxpayers and I believe the risk far outweighs the benefits.
· Historical data shows capital cost overruns are pervasive in 9 out of 10 high speed rail projects and that 2/3 of those projects inflated ridership projections by an average of 65 percent of actual patronage.
· It is projected that 3.07 million people will use the train annually. Keep in mind that Amtrak’s Acela train in Washington, D.C., Boston, Philadelphia, New York and Baltimore only had 3.2 million riders in 2010. And that market’s population is 8 times the size of the Tampa/Orlando market.
· President Obama’s high-speed rail program is not the answer to Florida’s economic recovery.
· We must make investments in areas where we will get a return for the shareholders – Florida’s taxpayers.
· Rather than investing in a high-risk rail project, we should be focusing on improving our ports, rail and highway infrastructure to be in a position to attract the increased shipping that will result when the panama canal is expanded when the free trade agreements with Colombia and panama are ratified and with the expansion of the economies of central and south America.
· By capturing a larger share of containerized imports entering our seaports, expanding export markets for Florida businesses and emerging as a global hub for trade and investment we can create up to an additional 143,000 jobs according to a recent chamber of commerce study.
· It is absolutely critical that we make smart investments with taxpayer dollars, whether state or federal, and I believe our state will be better served by spending these funds on projects that will benefit Florida and not turn into a spending boondoggle.
· The answer is to reduce government spending, cut government’s leash on our state’s job creators and then hold that government accountable for the investments it makes.
· That is what I was elected to do and that is how I plan to govern. Let’s get to work!
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Поэтому строительные работы по постройке жд во Флориде не нужны. Не смотря на полный крах строительной индустрии в штате в результате необузданного пузыря 2001-2008.Lolla wrote:
Tallahassee, Fla. – After thoughtful consideration, Governor Rick Scott informed U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood of the state’s decision to reject President Obama’s Tampa to Orlando high-speed rail project.
Below are Governor Scott’s Remarks as Prepared:
· As you know, I was elected to get Floridians back to work and to change the way government does business in our state.
Реп, не так ли?
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Какая связь с пузырем?RobinF wrote:Поэтому строительные работы по постройке жд во Флориде не нужны. Не смотря на полный крах строительной индустрии в штате в результате необузданного пузыря 2001-2008.Lolla wrote:
Tallahassee, Fla. – After thoughtful consideration, Governor Rick Scott informed U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood of the state’s decision to reject President Obama’s Tampa to Orlando high-speed rail project.
Below are Governor Scott’s Remarks as Prepared:
· As you know, I was elected to get Floridians back to work and to change the way government does business in our state.
Реп, не так ли?
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Как выделенная вами цитата связана с тем, что вы написали? И почему строительные работы во Флориде не нужны?RobinF wrote:Поэтому строительные работы по постройке жд во Флориде не нужны. Не смотря на полный крах строительной индустрии в штате в результате необузданного пузыря 2001-2008.Lolla wrote:
Таллахассее, Фла. – Афтер тхоугхтфул цонсидератион, Говернор Рицк Сцотт информед У.С. Транспортатион Сецретары Раы ЛаХоод оф тхе стате’с децисион то рейецт Пресидент Обама’с Тампа то Орландо хигх-спеед раил пройецт.
Белош аре Говернор Сцотт’с Ремаркс ас Препаред:
· Ас ёу кнош, И шас елецтед то гет Флоридианс бацк то шорк анд то чанге тхе шаы говернмент доес бусинесс ин оур стате.
Реп, не так ли?
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Читать дальше названия темы не пробовали?RobinF wrote:Поэтому строительные работы по постройке жд во Флориде не нужны. Не смотря на полный крах строительной индустрии в штате в результате необузданного пузыря 2001-2008.Lolla wrote:
Tallahassee, Fla. – After thoughtful consideration, Governor Rick Scott informed U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood of the state’s decision to reject President Obama’s Tampa to Orlando high-speed rail project.
Below are Governor Scott’s Remarks as Prepared:
· As you know, I was elected to get Floridians back to work and to change the way government does business in our state.
Реп, не так ли?
В США high-speed rail будоражит умы евротраша которые не понимают american way of life и примыкающим к ним маргинально-иммигрантских слоев населения. Polls показывают что большинство американцев предпочитают драйвить и летать vs трейн.We must make investments in areas where we will get a return for the shareholders – Florida’s taxpayers.
· Rather than investing in a high-risk rail project, we should be focusing on improving our ports, rail and highway infrastructure to be in a position to attract the increased shipping that will result when the panama canal is expanded when the free trade agreements with Colombia and panama are ratified and with the expansion of the economies of central and south America.
"Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon."
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Ну а если бы в США были (хотя бы кое-где) быстрые железные дороги, разве по ним бы не ездили?AlienCreature wrote: В США high-speed rail будоражит умы евротраша которые не понимают american way of life и примыкающим к ним маргинально-иммигрантских слоев населения. Polls показывают что большинство американцев предпочитают драйвить и летать vs трейн.
От Вашингтона до Нью-Йорка можно было бы добраться чуть больше чем за час, от Нью-Йорка до Бостона - за два часа. Я уверен, что это было бы очень даже популярно, и благотворно сказалось бы на экологии тоже.
В Европе быстрые железные дороги работают на ура, я уж не говорю про Японию.
А может быть, разбить окно и окунуться в мир иной,
Где, солнечный рисуя свет, живет художник и поэт?
Где, солнечный рисуя свет, живет художник и поэт?
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в Европе много чего может работать на ура, что не будет работать здесь...Паяльник wrote:Ну а если бы в США были (хотя бы кое-где) быстрые железные дороги, разве по ним бы не ездили?AlienCreature wrote: В США high-speed rail будоражит умы евротраша которые не понимают american way of life и примыкающим к ним маргинально-иммигрантских слоев населения. Polls показывают что большинство американцев предпочитают драйвить и летать vs трейн.
От Вашингтона до Нью-Йорка можно было бы добраться чуть больше чем за час, от Нью-Йорка до Бостона - за два часа. Я уверен, что это было бы очень даже популярно, и благотворно сказалось бы на экологии тоже.
В Европе быстрые железные дороги работают на ура, я уж не говорю про Японию.
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В Японии стоимость проезда на быстрых железных дорогах сопоставима со стоимостью авиаперелета. Кроме того при всей кажушейся быстроте получается сильно дольше чем самолет.Паяльник wrote:Ну а если бы в США были (хотя бы кое-где) быстрые железные дороги, разве по ним бы не ездили?AlienCreature wrote: В США high-speed rail будоражит умы евротраша которые не понимают american way of life и примыкающим к ним маргинально-иммигрантских слоев населения. Polls показывают что большинство американцев предпочитают драйвить и летать vs трейн.
От Вашингтона до Нью-Йорка можно было бы добраться чуть больше чем за час, от Нью-Йорка до Бостона - за два часа. Я уверен, что это было бы очень даже популярно, и благотворно сказалось бы на экологии тоже.
В Европе быстрые железные дороги работают на ура, я уж не говорю про Японию.
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Polls показывают что нетПаяльник wrote: Ну а если бы в США были (хотя бы кое-где) быстрые железные дороги, разве по ним бы не ездили?
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Т.е. меньше чем 1/3 опрошенных находит этот способ передвижения привлекательным. А если посмотреть по цвету штатов то картина вообще аховая. В красной флориде и техасе для кого строить эти многомиллардные дороги - для 24% населения которе ездит раз в год? Что смеяться то.About one-third, 32 percent, said they would use the service rather than driving or taking a plane.
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While 44 percent of Democrats would use high-speed rail, only 24 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of independents said they would.
"Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon."
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In general, кмк, high speed rail "работает" там где высокая плотность населения. В США она низкая
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В Техасе, разумеется, скоростные дороги не нужны. Пущай реднеки на пикапах ездят. А вот по побережьям было бы очень неплохо.
Кстати: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20032877-54.html
Кстати: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20032877-54.html
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Вo Флориде, штате, подверженном сильнейшим ураганам, где иногда нужна очень быстрая массовая эвакуация, отказаться от строительства скоростной железной дороги - идиотизм, по-моему. Полеты самолетов в предштормовую погоду бывают проблемны, автомобильные пробки на дорогах еще более проблемны. Поезд в такой ситуации - самое оптимальное средство передвижения.
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Когда во Флориде была нужна "массовая эвакуация", вы о чем вообще?Dinki wrote:Вo Флориде, штате, подверженном сильнейшим ураганам, где иногда нужна очень быстрая массовая эвакуация, отказаться от строительства скоростной железной дороги - идиотизм, по-моему. Полеты самолетов в предштормовую погоду бывают проблемны, автомобильные пробки на дорогах еще более проблемны. Поезд в такой ситуации - самое оптимальное средство передвижения.
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Вот по теме хорошо разжевано:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02203.html
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The reasons passenger rail service doesn't work in America are well-known: Interstate highways shorten many trip times; suburbanization has fragmented destination points; air travel is quicker and more flexible for long distances (if fewer people fly from Denver to Los Angeles and more go to Houston, flight schedules simply adjust). Against history and logic is the imagery of high-speed rail as "green" and a cutting-edge technology.
It's a triumph of fancy over fact. Even if ridership increased fifteenfold over Amtrak levels, the effects on congestion, national fuel consumption and emissions would still be trivial. Land-use patterns would change modestly, if at all; cutting 20 minutes off travel times between New York and Philadelphia wouldn't much alter real estate development in either. Nor is high-speed rail a technology where the United States would likely lead; European and Asian firms already dominate the market.
Governing ought to be about making wise choices. What's disheartening about the Obama administration's embrace of high-speed rail is that it ignores history, evidence and logic. The case against it is overwhelming. The case in favor rests on fashionable platitudes. High-speed rail is not an "investment in the future"; it's mostly a waste of money. Good government can't solve all our problems, but it can at least not make them worse
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Вас Техас чем-то лично обидел, что Вы все его население в реднеки записали?Brazen wrote:В Техасе, разумеется, скоростные дороги не нужны. Пущай реднеки на пикапах ездят. А вот по побережьям было бы очень неплохо.
Кстати: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20032877-54.html
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Я бы очень не возражала, если б из Хьюстона куда-нибудь была бы построена скоростная железная дорога. Я очень долго не забуду, как народ эвакуировался перед ураганом, застревал в пробках на шоссе и бросал машину, когда кончался бензин. Или как весь город был без электричества. Кому повезло, тем за 3 дня починили, кому нет - месяц были без электричества и жили у друзей/родственников/в гостинице.
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Что, не эвакуируются? Дома ураганы пересиживают?AlienCreature wrote:Когда во Флориде была нужна "массовая эвакуация", вы о чем вообще?Dinki wrote:Вo Флориде, штате, подверженном сильнейшим ураганам, где иногда нужна очень быстрая массовая эвакуация, отказаться от строительства скоростной железной дороги - идиотизм, по-моему. Полеты самолетов в предштормовую погоду бывают проблемны, автомобильные пробки на дорогах еще более проблемны. Поезд в такой ситуации - самое оптимальное средство передвижения.![]()
Вот по теме хорошо разжевано:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02203.html
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The reasons passenger rail service doesn't work in America are well-known: Interstate highways shorten many trip times; suburbanization has fragmented destination points; air travel is quicker and more flexible for long distances (if fewer people fly from Denver to Los Angeles and more go to Houston, flight schedules simply adjust). Against history and logic is the imagery of high-speed rail as "green" and a cutting-edge technology.
It's a triumph of fancy over fact. Even if ridership increased fifteenfold over Amtrak levels, the effects on congestion, national fuel consumption and emissions would still be trivial. Land-use patterns would change modestly, if at all; cutting 20 minutes off travel times between New York and Philadelphia wouldn't much alter real estate development in either. Nor is high-speed rail a technology where the United States would likely lead; European and Asian firms already dominate the market.
Governing ought to be about making wise choices. What's disheartening about the Obama administration's embrace of high-speed rail is that it ignores history, evidence and logic. The case against it is overwhelming. The case in favor rests on fashionable platitudes. High-speed rail is not an "investment in the future"; it's mostly a waste of money. Good government can't solve all our problems, but it can at least not make them worse
Или такие городишки маленькие, что МАССОВАЯ эвакуация не нужна?
Странно, мне казалось, что во Флориде довольно большая плотность населения.