Colgan Air plane crashes in Buffalo; 49 dead

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CLARENCE, N.Y. (AP) — A commuter plane crashed into a suburban Buffalo home and erupted in flames late Thursday, killing all 48 people aboard and one person on the ground, authorities said.

Flames silhouetted the shattered home after Continental Connection Flight 3407 plummeted into it around 10:20 p.m.

``The whole sky was lit up orange,‘’ said Bob Dworak, who lives less than a mile from the crash site. ``All the sudden, there was a big bang, and the house shook.‘’

The 74-seat Q400 Bombardier aircraft, operated by Colgan Air, was flying from Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey to Buffalo Niagara International Airport in light snow, fog and 17 mph winds.

Dworak said while residents of his neighborhood about 10 miles from the Buffalo airport were used to planes rumbling overhead, but this one sounded louder than usual, sputtered and made some odd noises. After hearing the crash, he drove over to take a look, and ``all we were seeing was 50 to 100 foot flames and a pile of rubble on the ground. It looked like the house just got destroyed the instant it got hit,‘’ he said.

Witness Tony Tatro said he saw the plane flying low and knew it was in trouble.

``It was not spiraling at all. The left wing was a little low,‘’ he told WGRZ-TV.

It was the first fatal crash of a commercial airliner in the United States since Aug. 27, 2006, when 49 people were killed after a Comair jetliner took off from a Lexington, Ky., runway that was too short.
Prior to the crash, the voice of a female pilot on Continental Flight 3407 can be heard communicating with air traffic controllers, according to a recording of the Buffalo air traffic control’s radio messages shortly before the crash captured by the Web site http://www.liveatc.net. Neither the controller nor the pilot exchange any concerns that anything is out of the ordinary as the airplane is asked to fly at 2,300 feet.

A minute later, the controller tries to contact the plane but hears no response. After a pause, he tries to contact the plane again.

Then the controller asks the pilot of a nearby Delta Air Lines plane to see if he can see the Continental flight.

``Delta 1998, look off your right side about 5 miles for a Dash 8 about 2,300 (feet). You see anything there?‘’ he asks.

``Uh, negative,‘’ the Delta pilot says.

Houston-based Continental Airlines issued a statement saying that preliminary information showed the plane carried 44 passengers and a crew of four.

``At this time, the full resources of Colgan Air’s accident response team are being mobilized and will be devoted to cooperating with all authorities responding to the accident and to contacting family members and providing assistance to them,‘’ the statement said.

Chris Kausner, believing his sister was on the plane, rushed to a hastily established command center after calling his vacationing mother in Florida to break the news.

``To tell you the truth, I heard my mother make a noise on the phone that I’ve never heard before. So not good, not good,‘’ he told reporters.

Clarence emergency control director Dave Bissonette said the crash killed one person on the ground.

Manassas, Va.-based Colgan did not immediately return telephone calls. The Federal Aviation Administration had no immediate comment.

Twelve homes were evacuated near the crash site, about 10 miles from the airport. The tail or part of a wing was visible through flames and thick smoke that engulfed the scene.

Two women believed to be residents of the neighborhood were being treated at Millard Fillmore Suburban Hospital for what were described as non-life threatening injuries, hospital spokesman Michael Hughes said. They were transported by ambulance approximately 11:35 p.m.

The crash came less than a month after a US Airways pilot guided his crippled plane to a landing in the Hudson River off Manhattan, saving the lives of all 155 people aboard. Birds had apparently disabled both its engines.

On Dec. 20, a Continental Airlines plane veered off a runway and slid into a snowy field at the Denver airport, injuring 38 people.

[Yvsobol]

Вроде небольшой, а 50 человек погибло. Ндда.
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Самолет Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 выполнял рейс 3407. Оператором рейса Continental Airlines была компания Colgan Air. Самолет врезался в жилое здание в нескольких километрах от аэропорта Буффало 12 февраля в 22:10 по местному времени. Все находившиеся на борту самолета 48 человек - 44 пассажира и 4 члена экипажа, по предварительным данным, погибли.

Video:
http://lenta.ru/photo/2009/02/13/plane/

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[Yvsobol]

Да, не увидел. Модератор - закрой тему или перенеси.

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Вот что говорят очевидцы

Witness Tony Tatro was on his way home from the gym when the plane flew about 75 feet above him. The craft's nose was lower than usual and and the left wing was tilted, he told CNN.

The plane was loud as it came in, as if for a takeoff rather than for a landing, said David Luce, who lives 300 feet from the crash site.

"The engines sounded like they were revving at very high speed, an unnatural sound," Luce said. "... Then the engine cut out -- stopped. And within a couple of seconds, there was this tremendous explosion.

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Переговоры с liveatc

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/gdfweeo6o

[Cpt. Smollett]

Имел отношение к Q400. очень скверно. RIP

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Имел отношение к Q400. очень скверно. RIP

Вроде бы как самолет 2008 года выпуска

[Cpt. Smollett]

Имел отношение к Q400. очень скверно. RIP

Вроде бы как самолет 2008 года выпуска

да, вот он: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Continen ... 1453895/L/

[Palych]

Имел отношение к Q400. очень скверно.

Я что в нём скверного?

[Cpt. Smollett]

Имел отношение к Q400. очень скверно.

Я что в нём скверного?

в нём? это мне скверно

[Palych]

Извиняюсь, не понял...
Сочувствую.

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about crew
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/ ... E6_mg.cspx

[Глюкva]

а в чем причина падения?
погодные условия?

[Cpt. Smollett]

а в чем причина падения?
погодные условия?

кто ж сейчас знает, ждать надо что NTSB скажет - "черные" ящики уже нашли и работают с ними. Погоду как фактор несомненно рассматривают, наверное есть версии обледенения и сдвига ветра.

[Cpt. Smollett]

The NTSB released facts only at an afternoon conference on the crash.

Data retrieved included conversation among crew members minutes before the crash that they noticed “significant ice on windshield and leading edge of wings.”

The flight data recorder revealed the “De-Ice” switch was in the ‘ON’ position just before the crew comments on ice were made.

The De-Ice switch controls pneumatic icing boots; it is not known whether they were functioning properly, even though the switch was ‘ON’. Their function is to break the ice loose that develops on leading edges of the wings.

[Cpt. Smollett]

National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Steve Chealander also says the twin turboprop aircraft went through a "severe pitch and roll" after positioning its flaps for a landing.

черт, выглядит как несинхронность выхода закрылков. Катастрофа по этой причине была в Харькове сравнительно недавно.

[Palych]

National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Steve Chealander also says the twin turboprop aircraft went through a "severe pitch and roll" after positioning its flaps for a landing.

черт, выглядит как несинхронность выхода закрылков. Катастрофа по этой причине была в Харькове сравнительно недавно.

А может лёд образоваться на задней части крыла?

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черт, выглядит как несинхронность выхода закрылков. Катастрофа по этой причине была в Харькове сравнительно недавно.

Несинхронный выход закрылок в горизонтальном полете в принципе можно компенсировать, a вот в комбинации со льдом пожалуй нет.

[Cpt. Smollett]

National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Steve Chealander also says the twin turboprop aircraft went through a "severe pitch and roll" after positioning its flaps for a landing.

черт, выглядит как несинхронность выхода закрылков. Катастрофа по этой причине была в Харькове сравнительно недавно.

А может лёд образоваться на задней части крыла?

чёрт его знает, это сильно зависит от много чего. Скажу только что ПОС есть только у носка крыла, другие части крыла и обтекатели рельс закрылков ПОС не имеют.

Похоже NTSB нащупало непосредственную причину катастрофы, теперь надо разобраться что к этому привело.

[Cpt. Smollett]

черт, выглядит как несинхронность выхода закрылков. Катастрофа по этой причине была в Харькове сравнительно недавно.

Несинхронный выход закрылок в горизонтальном полете в принципе можно компенсировать, a вот в комбинации со льдом пожалуй нет.

крайне трудно что-то утверждать, слишком много факторов. Насколько я помню подобная неисправность очень часто фатальна потому как обычно высота мала и ситуация развивается очень быстро. Вот и здесь ребята не успели ничего в эфир сказать

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to Cpt. Smollett:

К стати а как на счет рекомендации выключать pneumatic boots постояннo на цыкл по новой рекомендации FAA vs по старинке ждать пока будет достаточно льда а затем включать? Многие "старики" до сих пор верят что по старинке лучше..

[Cpt. Smollett]

to Cpt. Smollett:

К стати а как на счет рекомендации выключать pneumatic boots постояннo на цыкл по новой рекомендации FAA vs по старинке ждать пока будет достаточно льда а затем включать? Многие "старики" до сих пор верят что по старинке лучше..

я слышал про это, но я не пилот, своего мнения на этот счёт не имею. Еще слышал что инструкторы часто учат именно варианту 2, по крайней мере в Канаде. Типа если не ждать, то лёд не сломается, а "растянется" и продолжит нарастать. Фиг его знает кто прав Вот тут еще подробности про закрылки и шасси:

NTSB says crew discussed ice buildup during descent. Says gear was selected DOWN one minute before crash, then FLAPS were selected to 15. Within seconds of selecting 15 flaps, the aircraft began a series of SEVERE pitch up/downs and rolls. The crew selected gear and flaps UP just before impact. Sounding like ice causing this crash.

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NTSB says crew discussed ice buildup during descent. Says gear was selected DOWN one minute before crash, then FLAPS were selected to 15. Within seconds of selecting 15 flaps, the aircraft began a series of SEVERE pitch up/downs and rolls. The crew selected gear and flaps UP just before impact. Sounding like ice causing this crash.

Все правильно они сделали . Хотели уменьшить сопротивление

[Cpt. Smollett]

NTSB says crew discussed ice buildup during descent. Says gear was selected DOWN one minute before crash, then FLAPS were selected to 15. Within seconds of selecting 15 flaps, the aircraft began a series of SEVERE pitch up/downs and rolls. The crew selected gear and flaps UP just before impact. Sounding like ice causing this crash.

Все правильно они сделали . Хотели уменьшить сопротивление

мне кажется скорее связали выпуск закрылков с "SEVERE pitch up/downs and rolls" и решили сделать "как было". Ну и шасси до кучи для уменьшения сопротивления. Скорее всего еще увеличили режим двигателей - один из очевидцев говорил. Непонятно сколько времени прошло с момента выпуска закрылков на 15 и до момента как они поставили закрылки на UP. Думаю совсем немного, секунды