MN+H1B=???

[nipp]

Алоха всем.

Вот и меня заинтересовал вопрос. Кто нибудь пробовал покупку handgun в Миннесоте имея H-1B? Работает ли здесь трюк с hunter's license+residency proof? В оригинальном рецепте рекомендовалось FAS class перед покупкой лицензии. В MN лицам старше 28 не ставят в требование FAS. Это я правильно понял или как?

Заранее благодарю.

ЗЫ: Кстати, расскажите про hunter's license. Там всё как-то запутано. Какие-то марки, какие-то лотереи... Какая вообще нужна лицензия чтобы купить оружие для target shooting. Зверушек убивать меня не тянет.

[lostriver]

Зверушек убивать меня не тянет.

Совсем заскучал штоли?

[nipp]

Зверушек убивать меня не тянет.

Совсем заскучал штоли?

Ну не то чтобы меня "не зверушек" давить тянуло У меня неприязнь к мишеням.

[nipp]

Вот что я нарыл по этому поводу. FAQ ATF: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#r1

R. NONIMMIGRANT ALIENS

(R1) May nonimmigrant aliens legally in the United States purchase or possess firearms and ammunition while in the United States?

Nonimmigrant aliens generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States.

There are exceptions to this general prohibition. The exceptions are as follows:

• nonimmigrant aliens who possess a valid (unexpired) hunting license or permit lawfully issued by a State in the United States;
• nonimmigrant aliens entering the United States to participate in a competitive target shooting event or to display firearms at a sports or hunting trade show sponsored by a national, State, or local firearms trade organization devoted to the collection, competitive use or other sporting use of firearms;
• certain diplomats, if the firearms are for official duties;
• officials of foreign governments, if the firearms are for official duties, or distinguished foreign visitors so designated by the U.S. State Department;
• foreign law enforcement officers of friendly foreign governments entering the United States on official law enforcement business; and
  persons who have received a waiver from the prohibition from the U.S. Attorney General.

Significantly, even if a nonimmigrant alien falls within one of these exceptions, the nonimmigrant alien CANNOT purchase a firearm from a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) unless he or she (1) has an alien number or admission number from the Department of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service) AND (2) can provide the FFL with documentation showing that he or she has resided in a State within the United States for 90 consecutive days immediately prior to the firearms transaction.

[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(b) and 922(y), 27 CFR 478.124, ATF Rul. 2004-1]

(R2) Typically, who are "nonimmigrant aliens?"

In large part, nonimmigrant aliens are persons traveling temporarily in the United States for business or pleasure, persons studying in the United States who maintain a foreign residence abroad, and certain foreign workers. Permanent resident aliens are NOT nonimmigrant aliens. Permanent resident aliens often are referred to as people with "green cards."

[nipp]

Looks like облом.

Minnesota
Minnesota has a restrictive law on it's books. 624.719 bans any "nonresident alien" from posessing guns

except to take game as a nonresident under the game and fish laws.

The Game and Fish law, 97A.015, defines "Resident" as someone who

has maintained a legal residence in the state at least the immediately preceding 60 days;

So a non-citizen who doesn't live in Minnesota can't have guns in Minnesota except to hunt. Note that this would even apply to those with reciprocal concealed handgun permits, as 624.714 says

no license or permit from another state is valid in this state if the holder is or becomes prohibited by law from possessing a firearm.

Only permanent resident aliens who live in Minnesota will be issued concealed handgun permits, again due to 624.719 mentioned above. The concealed carry law specifically excludes those who prohibited under that section. See 624.714 for details.

[nipp]

А вот "аглшаем пжста всь спск"

US state and federal gun laws for non-citizens
Notes:
The purpose of this page is to inform non-citizens in the United States of the laws which may impact their right to possess firearms.

I am not a lawyer, and this page is not legal advice. I will provide links to actual laws where possible, and I encourage you to verify for yourself the information provided here before you act on it.

I don't have the resources to keep up to date on all the laws across the country. If you know something that I don't have listed here, then please email me at guns@vrolyk.org with your information, and I will add it to this page.


Federal Issues:
In general, non-immigrant aliens are forbidden to possess any firearms or ammunition. But there is a big exception for a legal alien who:

...is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States

(See Title 18, USC Chapter 44, Section 922, part (y)(2) for details.)

Green-card holders and immigrant aliens who do not yet have their green card are both okay under federal law, although many people (including gun dealers, law enforcement officers, etc.) are not aware of the distinction or the hunting license exception, and erroneously think that either you have a green card, or you can't have guns.

Also, non-citizen cannot purchase a firearm from a federally licensed firerams dealer unless they have been a resident of their state for 90 days. So, no, tourists on short visits cannot walk into guns stores to get "protection" during their trip. Sorry. (I've been asked that multiple times.)

State laws:

• Alabama: No special restrictions found.
• Alaska: No special restrictions found.
• Arizona: Arizona only issues concealed weapon permits to non-citizens if they reside in Arizona. However, Arizona recognizes the permits issued by several other states. See ARS 13-3112.
• Arkansas: Arkansas does not issue concealed handgun licenses to non-citizens. See Arkansas Code 5-73-309 for details. However, Arkansas recognizes the permits issued by several other states. I presume they would be honored for non-citizens, but a couple points in the wording were unclear. Use caution.
• California: With a few exceptions, California forbids having a "concealable" firearm in a vehicle. One of the most signifigant exceptions, however, does not apply to non-citizens! The exception is that it's legal to have a handgun in vehicle if it's locked in the trunk or is in some other locked container. But, as I said, this exception only applies to citizens. Non-citizens can't transport their handguns in their cars unless they fall under one of the other exceptions in the law.
  See the California Penal Code, section 12025 and 12026 for the law and it's exceptions.
• Colorado: Information not yet available. (Help anyone?)
• Conneticutt: No special restrictions found.
• Delaware: No special restrictions found.
• Florida: No special restrictions found.
• Georgia: No special restrictions found.
• Hawaii: Hawaii law requires a permit for firearms ownership, and in general these permits are not issued to non-citizens. There are limited-time-only exceptions for aliens who wish to hunt or are:
  ...in training for a specific organized sport-shooting contest
  Hawaii Revised Statutes, Chapter 134 has the details.
  Note also that Hawaii does not issue concealed weapon permits to non-citizens either. (Of course, in practice, they don't issue them even to citizens, so this is pretty irrelevant.)
• Idaho: No special restrictions found.
• Illinois: No special restrictions found.
• Indiana: No special restrictions found.
• Iowa: Information not yet available. (Help anyone?)
• Kansas: Concealed weapon permits are only issued to US citizens.
• Kentucky: Certified firearms instructers must be US citizens. No other restrictions found.
• Louisiana: An "enemy alien" is forbidden to posess any firearms or other weapons. See Title 14, Section 95. "Enemy alien" is defined elsewhere in the state Revised Statutes as being someone with citizenship in an enemy country. So conceivable, some poor refugee who fled an oppresive regime and is now in legally in the US could still be considered an "enemy alien" under this law.
  The concealed weapon law seems to imply that only citizens can get permits. See the law for the details.
• Maine: No special restrictions found.
• Maryland: Information not yet available. (Help anyone?)
• Massachusetts: Non-citizens are forbidden to posess firearms without a special permit! See Chapter 140, Section 131H. An additional exception is for
  ...an alien that resides outside the commonwealth for purposes of firearms competition... who can apply for a temporary license as outlined in Chapter 140, Section 131F.
• Michigan: Michigan law is a bit of a mess! It says:
  a person shall not purchase, carry, or transport a pistol in this state without first having obtained a license for the pistol as prescribed in this section
  One of the requirements for getting such a license is:
  The person is a citizen of the United States and is a legal resident of this state
  However, that requirement was struck down as unconstitutional (on equal protection grounds) by the Michigan Court of Appeals. (See Chan v City of Troy, 220 Mich App 376.) However, it hasn't formally been repealed by the legislature yet. You don't need that license, though, if you get a concealed-carry license:
  An individual who is licensed under section 5b to carry a concealed pistol is not required to obtain a license under section 2 to purchase, carry, or transport a pistol.
  However, such a license is only issued to a Michigan resident who is a citizen or:
  a resident legal alien as defined in section 11 of title 18 of the United States Code
  The confusing thing is that section 11 of title 18 has nothing at all to do with defining resident legal aliens! It's not clear to me whether this is supposed to be referring only to legal permanent resident aliens or all legal resident aliens.
  For out-of-staters, things are confusing, too! The requirement for a pistol license does not apply to:
  A United States citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by another state.
  That gives non-Michigan-resident non-citizens no relief. However, we also have:
  The requirements of this act for obtaining a license to carry a concealed pistol do not apply to any of the following:
  ...A resident of another state who is licensed by that state to carry a concealed pistol.
  Wow. The long and short of it is that I can't figure out what is and isn't legal or required or whatever for non-citizens when in Michigan. Read the firearms laws (Act 372 of 1927) yourself and consult a lawyer, and use extreme caution!
• Minnesota: Minnesota has a restrictive law on it's books. 624.719 bans any "nonresident alien" from posessing guns
  except to take game as a nonresident under the game and fish laws.
  The Game and Fish law, 97A.015, defines "Resident" as someone who
  has maintained a legal residence in the state at least the immediately preceding 60 days; So a non-citizen who doesn't live in Minnesota can't have guns in Minnesota except to hunt. Note that this would even apply to those with reciprocal concealed handgun permits, as 624.714 says
  no license or permit from another state is valid in this state if the holder is or becomes prohibited by law from possessing a firearm. Only permanent resident aliens who live in Minnesota will be issued concealed handgun permits, again due to 624.719 mentioned above. The concealed carry law specifically excludes those who prohibited under that section. See 624.714 for details.
• Mississippi: Information not yet available. (Help anyone?)
• Missouri: Licenses are required to aquire a handgun, and such licenses are not issued to non-citizens, so Missouri residents who didn't already own handguns before they moved there are out of luck. Concealed carry permits are not issued to non-citizens. However, Missouri honors all out-of-state permits, so non-citizens can just get such a permit. Details on both these issues are in Missouri Statutes, Chapter 571.
• Montana: Concealed weapon permits are only issued to US citizens. See: Montana Code Annotated 45-8-321
  However, concealed weapon permits from many other states are recognized, with no restriction on Montana residency or citizenship. See: Montana Code Annotated 45-8-329
• Nebraska: Concealed weapon permits are only issued to US citizens.
• Nevada: No special restrictions found.
• New Hampshire: No special restrictions found.
• New Jersey: Not yet researched!
• New Mexico: Only citizens may get concealed-carry permits in New Mexico. See the CONCEALED HANDGUN CARRY ACT.
  The server that hosts the New Mexico statutes has been down, so I have been unable to search them. So additional information is not yet available. (Help anyone?)
• New York: Not yet researched!
• North Carolina: North Carolina only issues concealed weapon permits to citizens. See NCGS 14-415.12.
  However, North Carolina recognizes the permits issued by several other states. See: NCGS 14-415.24.
• North Dakota: No special restrictions on purchase, possession, or carry.
  However, North Dakota has one odd exception for non-citizens: discharging fireams within city limits is illegal, except for legal defense of persons or property by citizens. It's in 62.1-02-06, which says:
  62.1-02-06. Discharge of firearm within city - Penalty - Application. A person who discharges a firearm within a city is guilty of a class B misdemeanor. This section does not apply to the lawful discharge of firearms by law enforcement officers, by citizens in defense of person or property, or by participants in lawful activities in which discharge of firearms is a recognized part of the activity including shooting galleries and ranges.
• Ohio: Not yet researched!
• Oklahoma: Not yet researched!
• Oregon: Oregon will only issue a concealed handgun permit to a non-citizen if he or she: Is a legal resident alien who can document continuous residency in the county for at least six months and has declared in writing to the Immigration and Naturalization Service the intent to acquire citizenship status and can present proof of the written declaration to the sheriff at the time of application for the license
  See section 291 of Oregon law, Chapter 166.
  A major exception to the concealed-firearm prohibition in Oregon law is that a person may possess a concealed fiream in their own residence (including an RV) or place of business, without a license. However this exception applies only to citizens! A non-citizen may only posess a concealed firearm with a license, which is only issued subject to the restriction above. See section 250 of Oregon law, Chapter 166.
• Pennsylvania: No special restrictions found. I have been informed that PA will issue concealed-carry permits to any legal alien. However, not all of PA's laws are online. The official state law web site only contains a part of the laws, and that part doesn't include the gun laws. A third-party site covers some of the missing areas, but isn't necessarily accurate and up-to-date. Use caution.
• Rhode Island: Illegal aliens are forbidden to possess firearms under RI law, just like they already are under federal law. See 11-47-7.
  Non-citizens seem not to be subject to the paperwork required of citizens when involved in an out-of-state transfer. See 11-47-36. Rhode Island has two systems of issuing handgun carry permits, the "town" system (11-47-11), and the "Attorney General" system (11-47-18). Non-citizens can use the "town" system only if they reside in Rhode Island. Anyone may apply under the "Attorney General" system.
• South Carolina: Not yet researched!
• South Dakota: Not yet researched!
• Tennesee: Not yet researched!
• Texas: No special restrictions found.
• Utah: No special restrictions found.
• Vermont: No special restrictions found.
• Virginia: Concealed handgun licenses will be issued to green-card holders, not other aliens. See Code of Virginia Section 18.2-308, which says:
  The following persons shall be deemed disqualified from obtaining a permit:
  An alien other than an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States. Licenses held by non-green-card-holder aliens from a state recognized by Virginia is a loaded question. On one hand, if a state's permits has been deemed as recognized by Virginia authorities, it should be okay. On the other hand, if the other state issues to non-green-card-holder aliens, by the strict letter of the law, perhaps that state should not have been recognized in the first place. Be discreet, I'd say; I'd rather not see Virginia stop recognizing other state permits over this.
  Possessing "assault weapons" by a non-green-card-holder alien is a felony. See Code of Virginia Section 18.2-308.2:01 for details.
  Without defining what it means, Virginia law prohibits all firearms possesion by a non-citizen "who is not lawfully present in the United States". See Code of Virginia Section 18.2-308.2:01.
  
• Washinton: Possession of a firearm by a non-citizen is a felony!
  The only exception is if you've gone the the convoluted procedure to get an "Alien Firearm License". And even this option is only available if you reside in Washington state.
  See the law at Revised Code of Washington, Chapter 9.41, section 170. See also the application for an Alien Firearm License. With an Alien Firearm License, a non-citizen can get a Concealed Pistol License.
• West Virginia: No special restrictions found.
• Wisconsin: No special restrictions found.
• Wyoming: No special restrictions found.

[nipp]

какой конструктивный диалог... Я сам с собой веду беседу.

...а вобще-то почему облом? Они запрещают только нерезидентам штата. Я тут уже 4 месяца. Следовательно "только на охоту" ко мне уже не относится. Вобщем сейчас штанишки просохнут, поехаю в Gander Mtn уточню...

[nipp]

...продолжаем диалог.

Съездил. Спросил. Посмотрел на квадратные глаза всего персонала магазина. Не продуктивная была идея интересоваться тонкостями gun laws в магазине посреди redneckville.

Вобщем hunter's license мне готовы были сделать на двадцатку прямо на кассе. Small game license. Пойду на енота с пулемётом.
Помахал распечаткой с ATF перед разявленым клювом манагера, он после этого готов был мне продать ядерную бонбу и установку Град с дискаунтом.

Вобщем особенности location.

[Lepricon]

А что случилось с www.packing.org ?

[nipp]

А что случилось с www.packing.org ?

Очевидно что-то плохое. Домен у них попёрли.

[nightmare2]

nEJIbMEHb, вы купили оружие или нет?

[nipp]

Пока нет. Поищу для начала ranges с арендой. Нет большого смысла рисковать с покупкой пока единственное место для стрельбы also happens to have rent.

[nightmare2]

Я че-то туплю конкретно.
Охотничью лицензию я могу купить даже online.
Вопрос. Какое оружие я могу купить имея эту лицензию?

[nipp]

Я че-то туплю конкретно.
Охотничью лицензию я могу купить даже online.
Вопрос. Какое оружие я могу купить имея эту лицензию?

Нет ограничений. .50BMG - самое то на хомяка ходить.

[nightmare2]

Нет ограничений. .50BMG - самое то на хомяка ходить.

Да мне бы пистолетик
Спсибо за разъяснение.

[nipp]

Народ говорит что проблемы бывают когда даёшь FFL дилеру бумаги с чекмарком в квадратике non-immigrant.

Если дилеру не лень искать приключений, он может взять бумаги, но на этапе NICS бывают (часто) необъяснимые denials.

Вобщем, пиши о результатах. Лицензию можно купить на кассе в волмарте.

[Мыслитель]

California: With a few exceptions, California forbids having a "concealable" firearm in a vehicle. One of the most signifigant exceptions, however, does not apply to non-citizens! The exception is that it's legal to have a handgun in vehicle if it's locked in the trunk or is in some other locked container. But, as I said, this exception only applies to citizens. Non-citizens can't transport their handguns in their cars unless they fall under one of the other exceptions in the law.
See the California Penal Code, section 12025 and 12026 for the law and it's exceptions.

Как же тогда негражданину перевозить своё имущество из одного места в другое?
И вообще тогда, как пушку довезти из магазина в принципе? Нанимать гражданина для этого?