Заболели кошки.

[tigrajulia]

Lala Chart, пусть ваши кошки скорее поправляются!

[Alex_Kadukin]

Или детские консервы с курицей.

Только смотрите чтобы там лука не было. Если нет таких то imho лучше сварить курицу с рисом (без соли и специй), мелко порубить мясо, перемешать и давать потихоньку.

[Aleksandra]

. Или детские консервы с курицей. Обычно коты очень любят эти два блюда./

в то время как дети в африке голодают? Таких котов - на мыло

Это баночка, ничем ни отличающаяся по цене, размеру и количеству мяса от кошачьих консервов, какая разница что хозяйка купит?


Вас так это задевает - бегите в ближайший супермаркет и закупайте все детские консервы, отправляйте их в Африку.

[Aleksandra]

Только смотрите чтобы там лука не было.

Это еда для младенцев - там ничего такого нет.

[rybshik]

moderated

[Aleksandra]

Поставил ли ветеринар четкий диагноз обоим кошкам? Или прописал массу медикаментов до диагноза?

Там нет массы медикаментов - только метранидазол, колет она Lactated Ringers что не является лекарством а просто для восстановления жидкости в организме http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactated_Ringer's_solution

[Lala Chart]

Lala, у меня был опыт общения с 13-летней кошкой диабетиком. Ей надо было колоть инсулин 2 раза в день, ела она особую еду... еще у нее было много недостатков, но сейчас не об этом. У нее периодически случались приступы как у вашего. Расползались ноги, не было координации, она не ела и не вставала. Да, в туалет она ходила с кровью. Делал ей тесты ветеринар, и сказали что в моменты таких приступов инсулин не колоть, а заставлять ее лизать какой-то сладкий коричневый сироп, типа Каво или еще что-то. Честно не помню. Но хозяин ее так и делал. Помогало. Приступ длился день-два, потом вставала и все было ок. Спросите у вета про этот сироп.

Thank you. It's exactly how the Vet describe me cat's condition. She told she would call to USA to find pills instead of making insulin injections. I'll ask about syrop.

[Lala Chart]

Alexandra thank you so much.
Alex, the cats didn't get along well initially and they live totally separate. No contacts.
She told the 13 y.o. is diabetic.
She doesn't know what happened to the younger cat. She told it happens with the cats from the street. The cat was adopted from my back yard 2 years ago. The vet told that it could be virus, smth like Hepatitis.
I will not make insulin injections to diabetic cat because he is a very moody and nervous cat by his nature. Injections will be too much trauma for him. Will try with a right diet. He is much better than the other one. His blood test is okay excepting high sugar.
I am afraid of clinics. I had a very bad experience when the younger had a bad pregnancy and they offered me to stimulate her when it was evident the cat was close to death. I insisted on a major surgery and it saved her life.
The same a very bad experience with a doggy who passed away in spite of all he efforts.

[Black_Cat]

First cat has liver disease, liver is small (Xrays), blood test is bad. Vet told she has some sort of Hepatitis.
She prescribed today (before blood test results ) Zentonil Advance ( I read that it's a supplement, not a treatment).
Called me later to come and pick up Metrinidazole.
Also gave me solution to inject under cat's skin 100ml per day.
Prescribed some Vitamins and special food.
Do you think Metrinidazole will help? She didn't give any positive promises.

Lala, both your cats have potentially life-threatening conditions, but BOTH can live for many more years if treated right.
From the prescription I gather that the vet decided that the first cat has some bacterial or protozoal infection. Is that the case? Were there any indications of that in analyses or was metronidazole prescribed for non-specific inflammation? In any case, if the cat's liver function is insufficient, you probably should call the vet and ask whether this drug is necessary now as it may be toxic for cats with liver problems.
Please, read about this drug -
http://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/monogr ... dazole.asp
http://www.petplace.com/cats/metronidaz ... page1.aspx

Now the injections - that's just saline to keep your cat hydrated. As he/she did not eat, the cat became dehydrated, it exacerbates the problems with kidneys and liver. Usually 100 ml subcutaneous injection is sufficient for a couple of days. Were you told to inject daily? For how long? Did the vet show you how to check whether the cat is dehydrated? BTW, when you do it, it will go better if you inject 2x50 ml - kind of like "making a camel". These injections are necessary until the cat starts to eat.

Vitamins - they are just that.

The most important for your cat now is food. If she does not eat for more than 3 days, she will develop hepatic lipidosis, you may read about it here -
http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/liver.html
To prevent it or to treat if started you have to feed the cat. In the beginning you have to force-feed. Take the special diet (a/d or convalescence formula can), you may dilute it further with water, put in a plastic syringe and slowly squeeze in portions (careful - allow time to swallow) out into cat's mouth (hold her head up). After the cat starts to receive some food like that, the condition usually improves and she will start to eat herself in several days. (When I had this problem with my cat, it took 2 days of force-feeding 5 times per day - after her refusing to eat for 5 days.)

You may also ask your vet about appetite stimulators like ciproheptadine.

It takes a lot of efforts to feed the cat with everything the Vet advised as well as inject her.
The cat is suffering when I make all this procedures.
Does it worth? I don't want the cat to suffer.

Yes, it's worth it. It's the difference between bring her back to life and having to put to sleep. To keep the cat hydrated and feed her is the most important.
Call the vet and confirm the frequency of injections.
As for the suffering - the cat does not really suffer that much from the injections, she is mostly stressed. If you can, ask somebody else to help you. Put the cat on the table, one person will hold her, the second will inject - it will be easier for you and the cat (as compared to doing it alone - holding the cat in your hands and so on).

The second cat is also sick.
The vet told sugar is 20.
The cat need a special diet ( Formula M/D ) that I will buy tomorrow.
Also Vet prescribed a lot of supplements.
The second cat is 13 y.o..
He will not eat any prescribed food on his own ( I know him well). I feed him manually and give him water manually as well.
What can I do for the second cat to improve his condition?

To improve the condition of the second one - diet, and if she is obese - try to bring her weight down.

I mean do my pets have pain now? He lost a lot of weight and can hardly move.

They are probably not in pain, but they are not feeling well - that's for sure. You know, like you when you have a bad case of flu - not in pain, but lethargic, tired, etc.

Should I fight for both of them? Do I have any chances to improve their condition considering the first one has Hepatitis and the second one has Diabetis.

The decision is yours. I would. As I said, they may still live many years. The second one definitely will have to stay on a special diet all life, but so what?

As for the first one - I have one which was in a similar condition (not quite the same though - no antibiotics were prescribed for us - nobody could figure out what's wrong), and now she is fine - eats for 3 cats.

Good luck to you and the cats!

If you want, I can call you or you may call me -I'm in Canada - let me know in private.

[Lala Chart]

Lala Chart, пусть ваши кошки скорее поправляются!

Thank you so much.

[Lala Chart]

С лекарствами этими не сталкивался - может Александра знает про них?

Метранидазол - антибиотик, для лечения простейших паразитов в основном. Скорее всего анализы показали наличие их в печени. Конечно, надо давать. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronidazole
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Can a blood test show parasites? She didn't make urine test because cats didn't want to pee.
She just told that it's antibiotic. She mentioned prednizalon, but told she would wait to prescribe it.
Overall, she was talking so much that I have a lot of doubts now.

[Alex_Kadukin]

Lala Chart, удачи вашим кошкам и вам! Поправляйтесь поскорее!
Боритесь!

[Aleksandra]

Can a blood test show parasites?

Я не знаю таких подробностей - просто знаю при каких болезнях его применяют. Некоторые заболевания, такие как heartworms например, можно найти по анализу крови (не Ваш случай, конечно). Так как врач позвонила позже и дала рецепт, я сделала вы вывод что она это увидела по взятым у кошки анализам. Конечно, лучше всего позвонить к ней и узнать что именно показали анализы и почему было назначено лекарство.