Подскажите как быть?

DanielMa · Post by **DanielMa** » 16 Jan 2006 05:28

I went to a community college for 2 years. Community Colleges have easy admission requirements. Many recent immigrants may not be able, regardless of their intellectual power, to get a sufficient SAT/ACT score to get into a good school. The problem with community college is that it may be difficult to transfer into a 4 year institution and transfer all of the credits.

I don't put the CC on my resume now. Just the 4 year institution and the year of graduation.

P.S. NEVA, although I have to admit that I pictured you very differently, I like your new avatar

Primavera · Post by **Primavera** » 16 Jan 2006 07:33

Why taking SAT if you can get GMAT/GRE and go directly to graduate school? I had the same question and decided that I would get an advanced degre. It would take the same time than getting the second bachelor.

Milasha · Post by **Milasha** » 16 Jan 2006 23:06

NEVA wrote:...
you still have to contend with the presumption that you have come from a less desirable social group.
...
It all depends on what the competition is, on the nature of the establishment, and on the mindset of the interviewer. I have seen it happen, and, frankly, as an interviewer, I've done it myself.

True, true. But why work in an environment where this classist snob mindset is tolerated? And, frankly, how often you think this happens? I for once would have an added respect for a person who overcome low social status to get 4-year degree (as in "first person in his/her family to graduate from college").
BTW, have you not ever seen smart middle-class kids that went to a CC just to save money? Here at FSU, a big chunk of undergraduate student body falls into that category.

Milasha · Post by **Milasha** » 16 Jan 2006 23:16

-alina- wrote: Подскажите: права ли подруга, и какой наилучший вариант вы можете посоветовать? (я просто сомневаюсь, т.к. читала здесь на форуме где-то, что идти работать теллером - бесперспективно).

Одна поправка: "надо делать" заменить на "можно сделать". Никакого "надо" тут нет - можно сделать и по другому. Например, пойти сразу в университет. Или в комьюнити колледж, но взять побольше классов, с тем чтобы окончить побыстрее (опыт работы кассиром ИМХО не важен для работы бухгалтера).

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 17 Jan 2006 02:02

Milasha wrote:True, true. But why work in an environment where this classist snob mindset is tolerated? And, frankly, how often you think this happens?

It usually happens in the most selective and prestigious institutions. That's exactly the reason you'd want to work there. Such mindset is not merely tolerated, it is cultivated there.

Milasha wrote:BTW, have you not ever seen smart middle-class kids that went to a CC just to save money?

Нет, никогда, честное слово. Кроме китайцев - иммигрантов в первом поколении ни разу не видела никого кто бы учился в community college.

No offense to anyone.

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 17 Jan 2006 02:04

DanielMa wrote:
P.S. NEVA, although I have to admit that I pictured you very differently, I like your new avatar

Thanks, I tried to look my best. :wink:

earthtorealist · Post by **earthtorealist** » 17 Jan 2006 02:10

NEVA wrote:
Milasha wrote:BTW, have you not ever seen smart middle-class kids that went to a CC just to save money?

Нет, никогда, честное слово. Кроме китайцев - иммигрантов в первом поколении ни разу не видела никого кто бы учился в community college. No offense to anyone.

Видел. Многих. Отдельная группа - ученики high school, которые берут классы в колледже (забыл, как называется), им защитывается кредит.

Знаю персонально нескольких, кто, отучившись в CC, закончил 4-year institution и сейчас в очень хороших graduate school. Думаю, проблем с placing у них не будет.

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 17 Jan 2006 02:11

Milasha · Post by **Milasha** » 17 Jan 2006 04:44

NEVA wrote:
Milasha wrote:True, true. But why work in an environment where this classist snob mindset is tolerated? And, frankly, how often you think this happens?

It usually happens in the most selective and prestigious institutions. That's exactly the reason you'd want to work there. Such mindset is not merely tolerated, it is cultivated there.

Yikes!
Просто для баланса: в стране более 2000 community colleges. Сколько Ваших престижных?

NEVA wrote:
Milasha wrote:BTW, have you not ever seen smart middle-class kids that went to a CC just to save money?

Нет, никогда, честное слово. Кроме китайцев - иммигрантов в первом поколении ни разу не видела никого кто бы учился в community college. No offense to anyone.

Спросила мужа. Он говорит - до трети студентов-американцев в FSU - трансферы. Colin Powell был трансфером.

RrM · Post by **RrM** » 17 Jan 2006 09:45

Milasha wrote:BTW, have you not ever seen smart middle-class kids that went to a CC just to save money? Here at FSU, a big chunk of undergraduate student body falls into that category.

Эммм... простите за оффтоп, но программа Bright Futures дает полную оплату tuition and fees в любом флоридском public университете (FSU тоже, естественно). Eligibility requirements - всего-то навсего 3.5 gpa и 1270 SAT (что для smart middle-class kids - нетрудно) http://www.firn.edu/doe/bin00072/fasrequire.htm

Почему, собственно, вышеуказанные smart middle-class kids решили пренебречь этой возможностью и вместо этого платить за комьюнити колледж? :pain1:

Milasha · Post by **Milasha** » 17 Jan 2006 17:13

RrM wrote:
Milasha wrote:BTW, have you not ever seen smart middle-class kids that went to a CC just to save money? Here at FSU, a big chunk of undergraduate student body falls into that category.

Эммм... простите за оффтоп, но программа Bright Futures дает полную оплату tuition and fees в любом флоридском public университете (FSU тоже, естественно). Eligibility requirements - всего-то навсего 3.5 gpa и 1270 SAT (что для smart middle-class kids - нетрудно) http://www.firn.edu/doe/bin00072/fasrequire.htm

Почему, собственно, вышеуказанные smart middle-class kids решили пренебречь этой возможностью и вместо этого платить за комьюнити колледж?

Часть, естественно, с ГПА 3.4

. Другие не смогли поступить на желаемую специальность в FSU (на Bright Futures требования ниже, чем в FSU. Парадокс...). Кому-то нужен гибкий график. Kto-to does not qualify as in-state for tuition purposes. Кто-то - упомянутые выше high school kids on dual enrollment. Кому-то нравятся smaller classes.

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 17 Jan 2006 17:33

Milasha wrote:
NEVA wrote:
Milasha wrote:True, true. But why work in an environment where this classist snob mindset is tolerated? And, frankly, how often you think this happens?

It usually happens in the most selective and prestigious institutions. That's exactly the reason you'd want to work there. Such mindset is not merely tolerated, it is cultivated there.

Yikes!
Просто для баланса: в стране более 2000 community colleges. Сколько Ваших престижных?

I wasn't talking about colleges. I was talking about employers.

Milasha wrote:Colin Powell был трансфером.

А Ломоносов был из деревни. Ну и что? :pain1:

Milasha · Post by **Milasha** » 17 Jan 2006 18:09

NEVA wrote:I wasn't talking about colleges. I was talking about employers.

Colleges ARE employers. Being a graduate of a "similar institution" is a definite plus for hiring, on any level.

Primavera · Post by **Primavera** » 17 Jan 2006 18:18

This is an off top, but why you are so mad with Neva? There are lots of institutions that are that selective. It's not her fault. :mrgreen:

You can scream whatever you want but you wouldn't get in some places without being an graduate from top 10 schools. :pain1:

Some employers set the standards, even if it is illegal. On my friend's office the management wanted a professional Not from state/city university, only from private school. The recruiter said that it is illegal to make that selection. Well, they interviewed all of candidates and picked one from private school. This is a reality.

Milasha · Post by **Milasha** » 17 Jan 2006 18:56

Primavera wrote:This is an off top, but why you are so mad with Neva? There are lots of institutions that are that selective. It's not her fault. You can scream whatever you want but you wouldn't get in some places without being an graduate from top 10 schools.

I'm not "mad" with Neva. I'm just trying to show that her point of view is NOT the only one. We don't even disagree on facts much.
(BTW, there can't be "lots" of such institutions, simply by definition. Top 10 schools are much less than 1% of all institutions, again, by definition. There's not enough high-class graduates for "lots" of places)

Primavera wrote:Some employers set the standards, even if it is illegal. On my friend's office the management wanted a professional Not from state/city university, only from private school. The recruiter said that it is illegal to make that selection. Well, they interviewed all of candidates and picked one from private school. This is a reality.

Well duh. So what? Is it the only office/employer in the region? Isn't this high-income, high stress environment a cause for divorce, depression, suicide (for some; others may thrive there)?

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